Bir Ermeni mesaj panosuna yazılan yazı
Şubat 5th, 2008
2 ay kadar önce bir Ermeni mesaj panosuna yazılan bir yazı; ziyan olsun istemedim:
I wonder if you people can reply me without insulting. I promise not to insult you and I hope you can also argue as adult people.
First of all, I live in Turkey and probably I know Turks better than you. For sure.
I read all of the posts. And before my opinions, I have some questions. And I wait “serious” answers. If you dont have an answer to give, so just shut up; stop insulting like 4 years of children.
You talk about “freedom of speech” but you also say that “denial of the genocide” is a crime. Whats with that dilemma? It is ok to agree with you but it is a shame not to agree with you.
I dont know if you know but denial of the so called genocide in Armenia, France and Swiss is forbidden. That means; a historian, after all of the information he gathers, if he decided that events in 1915 was not a genocide; HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT.
Ah… that must be the Armenian way of freedom of speech.
You dont want to listen Turkish historians, you dont want to listen the historical facts of Armenians massacres in Muslim towns.. YOU DO NOT WANT TO NEGOTIATE but you want Turkey to agree with you in every single topic?
That is not the way of communication.
Why an Armenian is right to say “there was a genocide” but a Turk is not when he says “No, it was not”
I know many US Professors who said Turks did not plan to kill Armenians in 1915 and also Armenians were the first mass-killers. Ah, what happened to them do you know? Your diaspora threated them with death; one of them run to Turkey for his life.
Thats the way of Armenian communication as I could see.
Well well, please do not answer without reading the whole post. I know, many of you would only post “F… YOU” without answering, even not reading my post. That is so inhuman, if you do that.
Turks say, as I know:
Yes, many Armenians died in 1915. BUT, it was not 2.1 million. Before the genocide, before the rebellion of Armenia; Ottoman archives say that there are only 600.000 Armenians in the Eastern Anatolia. Thats “all of them” and how can 2.1 million of 600 thousand can be killed?
Also, Armenians killed Turks too. In 1915 and before 1915, those lands were owned by Ottomans. Like Ohio for USA, like Highlands for UK. And Armenians were not the “only” ones living on those lands. In 1924, Turkey’s population was 24 million. There are far more Turks and Kurds in Eastern Anatolia. So; Armenians simply can not want those lands. But, they are free to return and settle, Turkey closed the border BECAUSE of Armenian invasion on Azerbaijan, not banned the nation.
And on Karabagh issue, Armenia may have “rights” on the land. BUT that does not give them the right to “drive off” 1 million Azeri people from that land. Azeri people MUST return; it doesnt matter who rule Karabagh, Armenia can have it maybe; but Armenia also let people return.
1915 events was 100 years ago. Massacre of Hojali is just 10 years ago.
And the events in 1915 was a civil war. It was Armenian rebellions vs Ottoman Empire. You can not explain Tashnak and Hinchak and Fedayees and Armenian troops in Russian army fighting against Ottomans. Thats a war, Armenia HAD troops. Armenians killed thousands of Muslims too. I know you feel “sorry” for them, but Im sure today Yerevan WOULD NEVER WANT to pay to those Muslim families or to those ONE MILLION Azeri people.
Ah… Armenian style of humanity. If it is sake of the Armenia; you have right to kill civilians (see Hojali) and take homes of people (see Karabagh) and can even plan to “depopulate” lands (see your posts above) and can even talk about “assimilation” (see your posts above)
But other nations… if it is not for the good of Armenia.. NO THEY CANT DO THAT; ITS A CRIME!
Yerevan has two faces.
So the questions:
1- Why denial of the genocide is a crime? Why dont Armenians let historians search and investigate the issue? US and France assemblies are not historians; most of them even never been in Turkey or Armenia; many of them did not listen BOTH sides. So,
a- politicians decisions are not historical truths.
b- you can not give a decision without listening BOTH sides; but remember, denial of the genocide is FORBIDDEN; Armenians dont want to let Turks do the speaking.
c- Armenia never speaks about the Ottoman archives. Who knows the amount of the population, Russian ambassador or English ambassador WHO WERE ENEMIES OF THE EMPIRE or the Empire’s statistics themselves BEFORE the crisis?
d- Armenia never speaks about the thousands of Muslim graves in and massacres.
2- Today, there are Turks, Kurds, Georgians, Armenians, Greeks, Lazs, Arabs, Boshnaks, Cherkezs and many others live in Turkey. There are Armenian newspapers, Armenian streets, Armenian churchs still active in Turkey. But I’ve never heard about a Turk living in Armenia or a Turkish mosque in Armenia. What happened to Muslim people who were living in today’s Armenia??? Dont tell me there were “never” Muslims in Armenia.. Ofcourse there were, THERE ARE MUSLIMS even in COMMUNIST CHINA and COMMUNIST BULGARIA with all assimilation politics of Sofia, Indonesia, KUBA but not in Armenia? After all 400 years of Ottoman rule and Persian rule, NO MUSLIMS?
Did they simple “peacefully” leave their homes to Armenians and said goodbye? WHERE ARE THEM?
WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM?
Simple question, between 1910 and 1920, why did tens maybe hundreds of thousands Muslim people in Armenia “disappeared”?
You got the point… you got it. yes.
3- Would you give Karabagh back to Azerbaijan? NO. Why? There are more Armenians in there than Azeri people.
There WERE more Muslims in Eastern Anatolia than Armenians in and before 1915; why should Turkey give you land?
4- Armenia has smaller lands.. It is not Turkey’s problem, Turkey cant give land and farm to every state with small land. It is SOVIETS problem, ask Russia why did they give you the smallest part. Want land from Moscow and sue Stalin, not Ankara.
5- In WWI, Armenia invaded Azerbaijan; they even occupied Baku. ohh.. stop here. What was that? Taking the WHOLE Azerbaijan??? Azeri people dont have rights to have lands? ohhh i forgot, it is for Armenia’s sake so it is ok. you can invade, sorry sorry… Thanks to Ottomans; an Ottoman army led by a Pasha saved Azeri people from a possible REAL genocide.
Not suprising, Armenia doesnt want to talk about that too.
6- Will you gonna sue me as being a “brainwashed” guy? Ah, before that, ANSWER; so let me learn the so called “truth”.
I never say anything fantastic like “Pissing on Armenian blood - your brothers say that a lot against Turks” or “Conquering Armenia because those lands were our 200-300 years ago” or “Air raiding Yerevan because they want our lands - Yerevan is too close to our border, you even dont have to cross the border to bomb it, not a good decision for a capital city”
I never said that too:
Turkey is the 2nd powerful army of NATO, most powerful army of Europe. You may think UK and France are stronger but no; they just have “nuclear” capacity. A nuclear war would trigger a world war so probably for decades no one will use them. Also, all of them are NATO members so it is not a problem. (Also Turkish army has “a few” nukes, given by NATO in Cold War against Soviet threat)
Anyways; thats not the topic, thats the fact that Armenia could never beat Turkish army. So there would be NO war between us; cause Turkey doesnt care about -we dont want- Armenian lands; and Armenia cant invade Turkish lands.
SUMMARY:
Turks and Armenians can be friends again but you must be civilizational and listen Turkish side too. Than, historians; who investigates and searches and visits the lands and the villages and reads the documents and listens both sides MUST decide if there was a genocide.
IF THEY SAY THERE IS, TURKEY WOULD ACCEPT THE FACT.
IF THEY SAY THERE IS NOT, IM SURE ARMENIA WOULD NOT AGREE.
Why?
Because Armenians want “land for free”
Armenians want “money for free”
Armenians want “power for free”
Armenians want “development for free”
It is really easy for Yerevan to claim there was a genocide and to trying to stop the opposition ideas; and want land and money.
I’d want that too. All for free! Who doesnt want it?
Thats all.. for today.
And if you are going to insult me because I “told” my ideas;
that would show that Armenians are the ones who dont like “freedom of speech”
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